Destroying the Diversity & Inclusion Narrative

Julie and Torin are serious about destroying the lame, losing and punitive Diversity and Inclusion narrative while chasing a narrative of ambition and freedom to explore.

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United Becomes Non-Binary and Kyle Korver's Privileged

In episode 7, Julie and Torin embrace United Airlines' work to engage non-binary travelers with the support of ally organizations. They get honest on Diversity Fatigue after Julie's No Good, Very Bad D/I day. Finally, wrapping it up with a transparent discussion about the Utah Jazz's Kyle Korver's revelation in Privileged.

Name Drops: Julie: #ThankYouNote, The Trevor Project (, and Katrina Kibben ( Semiatin - Apeel Sciences // Megan Sheckles - Capital Impact //Brent, ANjali, Kelly Jo, Katy, Natalie, Jonathan Heckert, Kyla

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Privileged: https://www.theplayerstribune...

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