Disorder

About Disorder

Are you fed up with the never ending crises in the news? Are you looking for Order amidst the Disorder? Listen to the Disorder Podcast as we offer forward thinking solutions to the biggest challenges of the day.

We are living through an age of unrivaled disorder: an out-of-control Trump Administration, never ending scandals, escalating threats from China, Iran, and Russia, and the rapid march of destabilizing tech. The “good guys” - rules-based ordering centrists - are on the back foot, while neo-populist strongmen gain ground by fuelling more and more chaos.

But there are ways out of this mess. Join us as we Order the Disorder.

Each week, host Jason Pack, co-hosts Jane Kinninmont and Mark Lobel, world-leading experts, senior diplomats and cultural icons, present their solutions to problems like: why are centrists losing and populist strongmen winning? How do we save our democracies? How do we deal with threats from Disorderers like Iran and Russia? And how do we build multilateral coalitions that work, how can we regulate AI, defend Ukraine, and fight climate change?-- All in a world without American leadership? Disorder is the go-to podcast for anyone who wants intelligent, thoughtful solutions to the Disorder engulfing our mad mad mad mad world.

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Meet The Host

Jason Pack

Jason is the Senior Analyst for Emerging Challenges at the NATO Defence College Foundation in Rome, Associate Fellow at the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI), Founder of Libya-Analysis LLC, and the host of Disorder -- a geopolitics podcast co-produced with Evergreen Podcasts.

His most recent book, Libya and the Global Enduring Disorder (Oxford University Press 2022) explores Jason’s 'Enduring Disorder' concept – that we no longer inhabit the post-Cold War World, but have entered a new era – the ‘Enduring Disorder’ – was conceived to describe the collective action failures that have come to define international politics.

Jason has lived in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Egypt, Israel/Palestine, Oman, Qadhafi-era Libya, and Trump-era Washington, DC. Proficient in Arabic, French, and Hebrew, he has been kidnapped twice, and served as the Executive Director of a K St-based Trade Association. He is open for media appearances about US foreign policy, conspiracy theories, the state of the global system, neopopulism, and especially the Middle East.

When not podcasting or consulting on the Middle East, Jason plays backgammon semi-professionally. He was the 2018 World Champion of Doubles Backgammon, came 2nd place in the 2024 World Championship of Speedgammon, and has achieved the rank of Backgammon Grandmaster - placing him in the top 100 players in the world. He also writes about gambling's connections to geopolitics.

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The Team

Jane Kinninmont

Co-Host

Jane Kinninmont is the CEO of UNA-UK, a charity that builds movements, provides expert insight, and designs campaigns dedicated to promoting human rights, peace and security, and UN reform.

George McDonagh

Producer

Award winning audio producer, the-one-the-only the George McDonagh uses his mega ordering editing skills to help put Disorder together.

Mark Lobel