Intimate Conversations with America’s Change-Makers

Burn the Boats is an award-winning podcast featuring intimate conversations with change-makers from every walk of life. Host Ken Harbaugh interviews politicians, authors, activists, and others about the most important issues of our time.

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Zander Moricz: Facism in Florida

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Activist Zander Moricz talks about his efforts in Florida, Gen-Z, and the SEE Alliance....
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Tim Alberta: Evangelical Extremism

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Journalist Tim Alberta discusses his book, The Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory, and his personal experiences with the evangelical movement....
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Dr. Steven Hassan: MAGA is a Cult

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Dr. Hassan explains how cults indoctrinate members, and how the radical right has copied these strategies....
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Dr. Bandy Lee: A Duty to Warn

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Psychiatrist Dr. Bandy Lee discusses Trump’s mental state, and the danger he poses to the country....
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Tristan Snell: Trump’s Legal Strategy

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Tristan, who prosecuted Trump as the Assistant Attorney General of New York, talks about Trump’s legal strategy, our current judicial system, and ...
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Trump is an Aspiring Dictator: Eugene Vindman

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Eugene Vindman describes blowing the whistle on Trump’s infamous call with Volodomyr Zelensky, and talks about the 2024 elections....
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Tina Nguyen: Inside the Conservative Movement

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Tina discusses once being a young conservative, working with Tucker Carlson, leaving the right-wing, and witnessing the insurrection first-hand....
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SSG Aquilino Gonell: Defending the Capitol

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SSG Gonell was one of the police officers who defended the capitol against insurrectionists on January 6th, 2021....
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Jared Yates Sexton: The Mythology of America

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Jared’s book, The Midnight Kingdom, examines how the right has created a mythologized version of our country which allows them to push an extremis...
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Dr. Khyati Joshi: Christmas & Christian Privilege

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Khyati Joshi talks about both the subtle and extreme ways in which white christian privilege has embedded itself in American society....
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Frank Schaeffer: A Plea from Evangelical Royalty

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Formerly “Evangelical Royalty,” Frank Schaeffer describes how the American Evangelical movement has radicalized, and how the Republican party has ...
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Ravi Gupta: Power-Hungry Politicians

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Gupta says his former friend, Senator Josh Hawley, will say and do whatever helps him gain power....
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Stuart Stevens: Fighting American Fascism

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Former Republican operative Stuart Stevens explains how the Republican party is complicit in a modern American fascist movement....
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Mark Chiusano: Who Really is George Santos?

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Mark’s new book, The Fabulist, peels back the lies, grifts, and alter-egos of Santos to reveal who really represents the 3rd district of New York....
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Amy McGrath: Republicans Have Undermined Our Military

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Marine Corps Vet and former Senate Candidate Amy McGrath discusses Tuberville’s military promotion block, authoritarianism, Project 2025, and Oper...
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David Pepper: Going on Offense

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Former Chairman of the Ohio Democratic Party explains how pro-democracy forces need to go on offense in order to preserve majority rule....
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Countdown to Dallas Episode 1: What Happened in Dealey Plaza?

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Nancy MacLean: Democracy in Chains

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Guest host Amanda Weinstein and historian Nancy MacLean discuss the ways in which democracy has been slowly and systematically subverted by the ri...
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Rep. Pat Ryan: Republican Chaos

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Rep. Pat Ryan talks about the unprecedented House Speaker elections, right-wing extremism, and his new resolution....
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Dr. Kathleen Belew: Trump is Quoting Hilter

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Historian Kathleen Belew explains how the rhetoric used by Trump and Alt-Right groups is both dangerous and purposeful....
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Katherine Stewart: The Growth of Christian Nationalism

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Katherine Stewart discusses her book, The Power Worshippers....
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Ruth Ben-Ghiat: Trump’s Plan

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Propaganda expert Ruth Ben-Ghiat reveals how Trump is paving a path toward authoritarianism in the U.S.....
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Alex Finley: Russia and the Intelligence Community

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Former CIA officer Alex Finley discusses authoritarianism and how former Trump officials were susceptible to Russian influence....
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Mike Rothschild: Analyzing Anti-Semitic Conspiracies

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Conspiracy Export Mike Rothschild discusses his new book, Jewish Space Lasers, which details how myths about a German-Jewish banking family have ...
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Dr. Dan Barkhuff: Political Violence on the Horizon

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Former Navy SEAL and founder of Veterans for Responsible Leadership explains why he thinks Civil War in the US is unrealistic, but future politica...
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David Hogg: Demanding an End to Gun Violence

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David Hogg discusses the political burden placed on Gen-Z, his trauma from the Parkland shooting, gun violence, and protests....
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Dara Starr Tucker: Confronting Racism

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Political Commentator Dara Starr Tucker talks about why many white Americans hide behind “politeness” as an excuse for not confronting racism....
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Rep. Jason Crow: Political Courage

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Rep. Crow discusses Space Command remaining in his state, right-wing extremism, and the lack of political courage shown by Republican politicians....
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Denver Riggleman: Combating Conspiracy Theories

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Former Representative Denver Riggleman describes the appeal of conspiracy theories, and the damage that they can do....
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Dr. Kareem Crayton: The Courts, Gerrymandering, and Voter Suppression

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Dr. Crayton discusses how democracy is being purposefully obstructed at the state and local levels....
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Mark J. Lindquist: How You Can Help Ukraine

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Mark, an Air Force Veteran, explains what he’s been doing to aid the war effort in Ukraine, and what you can do to help....
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Anne Nelson: Corruption in the Courts

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Anne discusses the corruption within the Supreme Court and how certain “grassroots” conservative organizations have ties to powerful shadow networ...
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Miles Taylor: Trump 2.0

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Former Trump Administration official Miles Taylor discusses a potential Trump 2.0, and his new book, Blowback....
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Rep. Seth Moulton: Understanding the Threats to American Democracy

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Rep. Seth Moulton discusses right-wing extremism within Congress and the dangers to American Democracy....
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Olivia Julianna: The Future of Texas

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20-year-old abortion-rights advocate Olivia Julianna discusses voter suppression in Texas, Gen-Z for Change, and the fight against Ted Cruz’s 2024...
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Ryan Busse: Inside the Gun Industry

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Ryan Busse, a former executive of a major firearms manufacturer, pulls back the curtains on the gun industry....
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Sarah Posner: The Evangelical Agenda

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Journalist and author Sarah Posner reveals how many evangelicals have adopted and executed a platform of extremism....
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Brynn Tannehill: American Fascism

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Author of American Fascism, Brynn Tannehill, describes the striking similarities between Germany in the 1930s and America today....
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BONUS: Exposing the Myths About Guns w/Fred Guttenberg

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In this special Father’s Day episode, Ken is joined by Fred Guttenberg, whose daughter Jaime was killed in the 2018 Parkland shooting....
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Kristin Kobes Du Mez: What Evangelism Means Today

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Kristin describes how Evangelism has transformed, and its relationship to masculinity, oppression, and nationalism....
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General Stanley McChrystal: “It Could Happen Here”

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General Stanley McChrystal describes the ways in which American Democracy could crumble....
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Stacey Abrams: A Point of Entry

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Stacey Abrams talks about her new book, Rogue Justice, and the systems that influence American life from the shadows....
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Mary Trump: Minority Rule is Here

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Clinical Psychologist and niece of former President Donald Trump talks about the country’s historical trauma, and how we currently live under mino...
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Mila Atmos: Moving the Needle

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Host of Future Hindsight, Mila Atmos, discusses voter engagement and persuasion....
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Angela Denker: White Christian Nationalism

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Lutheran pastor and journalist Angela Denker discusses the evangelicals who voted for Trump, and her book, Red State Christians....
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Sarah Longwell: Trump vs. DeSantis

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Sarah Longwell discusses the 2024 presidential race and its potential candidates....
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Fred Wellman: What’s Next for Democracy?

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Senior Advisor of Voters of Tomorrow and former republican Fred Wellman discusses facism, masculinity, and the hope Gen-Z brings to democracy....
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Ukraine Report #9: Documenting Russian War Crimes w/Mike Breen

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Mike Breen is the President and CEO of Human Rights First. He’s been on the ground in Ukraine documenting Russian war crimes, and he joins us fro...
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Tim Ryan: The Culture Has to Change

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Former Ohio Congressman Tim Ryan talks about the quality of American life, divisions within both parties, and how American culture has made a turn...
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Brett Jones: First Openly Gay Navy SEAL Slams Trump’s Bigotry

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Brett Jones talks about overcoming hate and discrimination....
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Bill Kristol: Extremism in the Republican Party

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Former leading Republican Bill Kristol discusses media echo chambers and anti-democratic enablers within the Republican Party...
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Will Sommer: The Dangers of QAnon

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Political Reporter Will Sommer talks all things QAnon, and his new book, Trust the Plan....
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Dr. Dan Barkhuff: Toxic Masculinity and Gun Culture

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Former Navy SEAL and founder of Veterans for Responsible Leadership discusses the relationship between toxic masculinity and gun culture....
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Lucas Kunce: “Corporate, Country Club Republicans”

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Lucas Kunce talks about his run against Josh Hawley for the 2024 Missouri Senate Seat....
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Joe Walsh: Republican Accountability

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Former Illinois Congressman Joe Walsh talks about how both he and the Republican party have changed....
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Dr. Rachel Kleinfeld: What Causes Political Violence?

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Dr. Rachel Kleinfeld discusses political violence, the possibility of a Civil War, and extremism....
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Ruth Ben-Ghiat: Authoritarianism Around the Globe

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Historian Ruth Ben-Ghiat describes past and present authoritarian movements, and discusses her recent book, Strongmen....
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Andrew Hartzler: Fighting Discrimination

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Andrew Hartzler, nephew of fmr. Representative Vicky Hartzler, talks about his viral video and how he has faced discrimination as a gay man....
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Ken Mayer: The Electability of Republicans

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Political science professor Ken Mayer discusses the prospect of Republican candidates in 2024, and current campaign finance reform efforts....
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BONUS: Past, Present, and Future w/Senator Tammy Duckworth

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Senator from Illinois Tammy Duckworth reflects on her first term in office, the current issues facing the Senate, and what she hopes to accomplish...
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Olga Lautman: The Fall of Putin

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Russian politics expert Olga Lautman discusses Russia’s failure to defeat Ukraine, the instability of the Russian political system, and more....
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Ravi Gupta: “The Door is Always Open”

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Ravi Gupta discusses good-faith political disagreements, elections, and where the Republican party goes from here....
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Stuart Stevens: The Republican Party’s Downfall

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Former Republican operative Stuart Stevens explains how the Republican Party has changed, and how he’s now working to counteract the movement he h...
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Tyler Merritt: Patience for the Ignorant

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Tyler discusses hate, ignorance, and his new book, A Door Made for Me...
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Miles Taylor: The Fight Has Just Begun

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Miles Taylor, who co-founded the Forward Party, discusses the significance of the midterm election results, the future of Trumpism, and the ongoin...
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David Bellavia: Partisan Politics

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Medal of Honor Recipient and conservative radio host David Bellavia talks about the recent shift in the Republican party, what makes a qualified c...
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Jinho ‘Piper’ Ferreira: Hip-Hop, Community, and Policing

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Flipsyde member ‘Piper’ Ferreira talks about how his experiences as a police officer, rapper, and artist have influenced him....
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Garrett Reisman: The Future of Space Exploration

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Astronaut Garrett Reisman discusses how the Ukraine-Russia War, Elon Musk, and global warming are impacting space exploration....
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Rerun: In Remembrance of Michael Gerson

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On Thursday, former Presidential Speechwriter Michael Gerson passed away. He was the first ever guest on Burn the Boats, and we've decided to re-r...
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Denver Riggleman: Leaving the Republican Party

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Former Representative Denver Riggleman discusses the January 6th committee, his experiences as a Republican during the Trump Administration, and h...
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Anne Nelson: The Future of the Right Wing

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Anne Nelson talks about the November Midterm Elections, right-wing domestic extremism, and the direction of the Republican Party....
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Al Franken: Has Democracy Reached a Tipping Point?

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Fmr. Senator Al Franken discusses the radicalization of the Republican party and the threats facing American Democracy....
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Nan Whaley: Fighting for Ohioans

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Former Dayton Mayor Nan Whaley talks about her Ohio gubernatorial campaign....
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Scott Hershovitz: Adventures in Philosophy with My Kids

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Scott talks about his new book, Nasty, Brutish, and Short, in which he discusses philosophy with his children....
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Kris Goldsmith: The Anti-Fascist Agenda

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Kris, a combat vet, explains how he studies and disrupts fascism and white supremacism in the U.S....
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Dr. Kathleen Belew: The State of the White Power Movement

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Dr. Belew describes the growth, strategies, and consequences of the White Power movement in America....
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LTC Alexander Vindman: Fighting Authoritarianism

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In 2019, Alex provided testimony that led to Donald Trump’s first impeachment, and foreshadowed Russia’s devastating invasion of Ukraine....
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Representative Pat Ryan: The Backlash after Dobbs

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Pat Ryan discusses his successful special election campaign, and the nationwide surge in support Democrats have seen in response to the Dobbs deci...
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Jason Kander: Getting Help Saved My Life

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Jason Kander discusses his new Memoir, Invisible Storm...
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Esosa Osa: Fighting Disinformation

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The Deputy Director of Fair Fight Action, Esosa Osa, talks about internet disinformation....
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Jim Obergefell: The Battle for Marriage Equality

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Jim was the lead plaintiff in the 2015 Supreme Court that ruled same-sex couples are guaranteed the right to marry. Now he’s running for the Ohio ...
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Jimmy Soni: The Influential Founders of PayPal

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PayPal was the launching pad for some of the world’s most impactful tech entrepreneurs, who went on to create companies like SpaceX, YouTube, Yelp...
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Dan Pfeiffer: Battling the Big Lie

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Dan Pfeiffer, Co-Host of Pod Save America, discusses his new book and the messaging of the Democratic Party....
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David Gergen: Passing the Torch to Gen-Z

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Former Presidential Advisor David Gergen discusses leadership, passing the torch to younger generations, and his new book, Hearts Touched with Fir...
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Lecia Michelle: The White Allies Handbook

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Lecia talks about her new book, The White Allies Handbook, and how white people must use their voices to actively dismantle racism....
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Steve Pierson: How We Win

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Activist and organizer Steve Pierson discusses the 2022 Midterms, and the obstacles, and opportunities, facing the Democratic Party....
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The Repercussions of Transphobic Legislation

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Heather is a mother of two living in Alabama, a state that recently passed an anti-trans bill, SB184, that makes it a felony for her to seek the m...
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Sebastian Junger: Bravery, War, and Purpose

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Journalist and filmmaker Sebastian Junger discusses his books, his experiences as a war reporter, and his organization, Vets Town Hall....
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Ukraine Report #8: Humanitarian Aid with Amed Khan

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Activist, Philanthropist, and humanitarian Amed Khan discusses his efforts in Ukraine....
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BONUS: The Clock is Ticking for Afghan Evacuees

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Congress is running out of time to determine the status of our allied Afghan refugees....
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Amanda Weinstein: Suburbia and the Culture Wars

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Amanda Weinstein talks about the divisions in local communities....
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David Pepper: The Impact of Corrupt State Houses

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David Pepper talks about his new book, Laboratories of Autocracy, in which he argues that corrupt politicians in state houses are the biggest thre...
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Ukraine Report #7: Refugees and Aid Workers

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Anna is a Ukrainian refugee who had to flee on the day of the invasion, and Nico is a volunteer who has been helping refugees like Anna on the Pol...
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Ukraine Report #6: Russian Politics with Olga Lautman

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Olga Lautman describes internal Russian politics and Putin’s rise to power....
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Ukraine Report #5: Former CIA Officer David Chasteen

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Former CIA officer David Chasteen provides insight into what part intelligence collection and cyber warfare play in the invasion of Ukraine....
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Stephen Marche: The Next Civil War

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Stephen Marche details the ways in which civil war could realistically break out in the United States....
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Ukraine Report #4: A Volunteer Soldier in Ukraine’s Territorial Defense Forces

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A few weeks ago, Nikolay worked in finance. Now, he’s fighting for his life, his family, and his country....
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Ukraine Report #3: The Battle for the Skies with Ward Carroll

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Ward Carroll, a former F-14 Radar Intercept Officer, discusses aerial combat, no fly zones, the Ghost of Kyiv, and the battle for the skies over U...
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Shannon Watts: The State of Gun Reform Efforts in 2022

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The founder of Moms Demand Action, a grassroots gun safety organization, discusses ongoing reform efforts and what they mean for the 2022 midterms...
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Ukraine Report #2: Urban Warfare with Dan Barkhuff

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Dan Barkhuff, a former Navy SEAL, discusses the realities of urban warfare, and what the Russian invasion force is likely to face....
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Ukraine Report #1: The Morning of the Attack with Oliya Scootercaster

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We spoke to Oliya Scootercaster, a Ukrainian video journalist on the ground in Kyiv, just 12 hours before Russia invaded Ukraine....
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Billy Ray: Movies and Messaging

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Film director, writer, and political activist Billy Ray discusses the importance of messaging when reaching out to independent voters....
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Josh Remillard: Defeating Madison Cawthorn in NC-13

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Army vet Josh Remillard talks about his campaign for North Carolina’s 13th congressional district seat....
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Dr. Kate Starbird: Disinformation in the Age of Social Media

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Dr. Kate Starbird discusses the growth and threat of disinformation spread via the internet....
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Rerun: Rep. Jason Crow talks about January 6th

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Rep. Jason Crow, former Army Ranger and congressman from Colorado’s 6th district, talks about the January 6th insurrection and the importance of t...
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BONUS: Reflections on the January 6th Insurrection

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Various guests from over the last year discuss the causes and consequences of the attack on the U.S. Capitol....
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Lucas Kunce: Populism and Power

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Lucas Kunce hopes to fill Missouri’s vacant Senate seat in 2022, and he’s running a populist campaign that focuses on taking power out of the hand...
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Heidi Heitkamp: The Democratic Party’s Branding Problem

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Former Senator Heidi Heitkamp discusses the importance of rural communities, and the Democratic Party’s branding problem....
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Fred Wellman: The Signs of a Violent America

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Fred Wellman, the former Executive Director of the Lincoln Project, discusses how fear mongering, toxic masculinity, and the lust for power are le...
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Tyler Merritt: Before You Call the Cops

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Tyler Merritt discusses his new book, I Take My Coffee Black, about his experiences as a black man in America....
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Kareem Crayton: Redistricting & the Problem with Politicization

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Law professor Kareem Crayton discusses the role of race in current redistricting efforts, and the politicization of America’s symbols and institut...
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Chris Harnisch: The ‘Surrender’ of Afghanistan

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Chris Harnisch, who worked in the State Department during the Trump Administration, discusses the missteps during the withdrawal from Afghanistan,...
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Chairwoman Shontel Brown: Bipartisanship and Ohio’s 11th District

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Shontel Brown discusses her recent primary win in Ohio’s 11th District, and the future of both parties....
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Miles Taylor: Inside the Trump White House

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Miles Taylor describes the chaos created by Former President Trump, and how people within the administration tried to combat it....
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Amy McGrath: The ‘Honor Bound’ Memoir

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Amy McGrath talks about her new book, which details her time in the military, her tough political campaigns, and the challenges we face as a count...
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Kris Goldsmith: PTSD, Less-Than-Honorable Discharges, and Domestic Violent Extremism

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Kris discusses PTSD and his suicide attempt, his battle to amend his less-than-honorable discharge, and his work fighting domestic violent extremi...
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Chris Meagher: The President’s Infrastructure Plan

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White House Deputy Press Secretary Chris Meagher discusses the goals of President Biden’s Build Back Better Infrastructure Plan...
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Anne Nelson: The Secret Influence of a Right-Wing Political Coalition

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Award winning journalist Anne Nelson describes the influence of the Council for National Policy, a powerful right-wing political coalition....
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Master Sergeant Michael ‘Top’ Washington: Coping with Loss

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Master Sergeant ‘Top’ Washington describes the difficulty of coping with the loss of his son, and how he’s working to make that process easier for...
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Jason Kander: Destigmatizing PTSD While Continuing to Serve

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Jason Kander, an Army Veteran and former candidate for Senate in Missouri, talks about his struggle with PTSD, and about his continuing public ser...
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Judge Lina Hidalgo: Local Leadership, Voting Rights, and Values

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Judge Lina Hidalgo, county executive for Harris County, Texas, talks about changing the system from within and about budgeting through a values le...
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Elliot Ackerman: Writing About War and America’s Future

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Elliot Ackerman, Marine combat veteran and bestselling author, talks about writing and about his fears for the future....
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Christian Picciolini: Disengaging White Power Extremists

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Christian Picciolini, a former leader in the American white power movement, talks about his past and his current work in extremism prevention....
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Rep. Jason Crow: Accountability and the Aftermath of January 6

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Rep. Jason Crow, former Army Ranger and congressman from Colorado’s 6th district, talks about the January 6th insurrection and the importance of t...
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Dr. Kathleen Belew: The History of the White Power Movement and Paramilitary America

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Dr. Kathleen Belew, historian and author of Bring the War Home, talks about the white power movement and the role of veterans in the movement’s hi...
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Jon Soltz: Giving Veterans a Voice

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Jon Soltz, founder of VoteVets, talks about the organization's origins and priorities and what it means to give a voice to veterans....
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Jon Heavey: On the Front Lines

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Dr. Jon Heavey talks about serving on the front lines - both as a battalion surgeon in Iraq and as an emergency room physician during the COVID-19...
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Carlos Gauna: Ending the Stigma Around Sharks

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Burn the Boats takes a break from politics by talking with Carlos Gauna, an artist and videographer who raises awareness about ocean life - in par...
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Dan Barkhuff: A Tribe to Compete with Trumpism

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Dan Barkhuff, former Navy Seal and founder of Veterans for Responsible Leadership, talks about fighting Trumpism and the importance of belonging....
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Steve Schmidt: Fighting an Autocratic Coalition

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Steve Schmidt, longtime Republican political strategist and co-founder of The Lincoln Project, comes on Burn the Boats to talk about his work figh...
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Mike Howard: Keeping America Secure from the CIA to Microsoft

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Mike Howard, a veteran in the security and protection field, comes on Burn the Boats to talk about his 22 year career with the CIA and the years h...
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Rerun: Max Rose and Ali Soufan on White Supremacist Terrorism

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This rerun from July 2020 features former congressman Max Rose and counterterrorism expert Ali Soufan talking about their work addressing the thre...
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Sen. Sherrod Brown: The Dignity of Work and Hope in Politics

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Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio talks about the dignity of work, his Senate desk 88, and the role of both fear and hope in politics....
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Doug Wilson: Celebrating 10 Years Without Don’t Ask Don’t Tell

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Ken celebrates the 10th anniversary of the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell with Doug Wilson, former Pentagon official who played a key role in the...
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Aida Salazar: Activist, Artist, Author

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Award-winning author Aida Salazar talks about writing difficult stories for children, raising a new generation of activists, and the intersections...
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Jake Wood: A New Mission Closer to Home

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Jake Wood, veteran and CEO of Team Rubicon, talks about his new memoir, the value of veterans serving in disaster relief, and the power of vulnera...
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Jacqueline Novogratz: Marshalling a Moral Revolution

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Jacqueline Novogratz, founder and CEO of Acumen, talks about the role of markets in working towards a better world and how the kind of work she do...
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Rerun: Pete Buttigieg

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The day after the election, hear a rerun of Ken's conversation with Pete Buttigieg from the summer - talking about patriotism, his hopes for the f...
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Voting Rights and the 2020 Election w/ Esosa Osa and Sylvia Albert

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Just days before the 2020 election, Ken passes the mic to guest host Esosa Osa, Research and Policy Director for Fair Fight Action. Esosa intervie...
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MJ Hegar: Campaign Like a Girl

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MJ Hegar, Democratic candidate for Senate in Texas, talks about her campaign, what drove her to run in the first place, and the prejudiced respons...
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Rep. Tim Ryan: Politics and Mindfulness

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Rep. Tim Ryan talks politics - Trump, Ohio, and Tim’s current reelection campaign. He also talks about something he wishes all politicians would p...
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Rep. Cheri Bustos: Legislating by Listening

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Representative Cheri Bustos, congresswoman from Illinois and chair of the DCCC, talks about the values that women bring to leadership and about wi...
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Bonus: Sec. Leon Panetta and the Anniversary of 9/11

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In this bonus episode of Burn the Boats, Sec. Leon Panetta talks about the ultimate tough decision: launching a raid into Pakistan based on uncert...
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Anthony Scaramucci: Room on the Off Ramp

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Anthony Scaramucci talks about his brief tenure as the White House Communications Director and his recent decision to denounce Trump, as well as h...
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Swati Mylavarapu: Making Politics Accessible

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Pete Buttigieg’s chief investment officer and founder of Incite.org and the Arena, Swati talks to Ken about campaign finance and about diving into...
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Andrew Towne: Modern-Day Adventurer

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Andrew Towne, endurance athlete and principal with the Boston Consulting Group, has climbed the tallest mountain on every continent, including Mou...
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Bonus: Gen. Stanley McChrystal on Confederate Symbols

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In this bonus episode of Burn the Boats, Gen. Stanley McChrystal reflects on his formerly-beloved painting of Robert E. Lee and his perspective on...
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Pete Buttigieg: On Moving Forward

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Pete Buttigieg, former candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, talks about his campaign, his decision to end it, and his hopes for t...
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Max Rose and Ali Soufan: Fighting White Supremacist Terrorism

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US Representative Max Rose and counterterrorism expert Ali Soufan talk about the work they’re doing to address the threat of transnational violent...
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Sarah Longwell: How to Save the GOP

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Sarah Longwell, publisher of the Bulwark and co-founder of Republicans for the Rule of Law, talks about being a staunchly “Never Trump” Republican...
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Pride Month: Gina Ortiz Jones

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This rerun in honor of Pride month features a conversation with Gina Ortiz Jones, Democratic candidate for Congress in Texas’s 23rd district, abou...
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Fred Guttenberg: Father of Two

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Fred Guttenberg, gun safety advocate whose daughter Jaime was killed at Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, talks about how the los...
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Mansoor Shams: Muslim Marine

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Mansoor Shams, founder of MuslimMarine.org, talks about both his good and bad experiences as a Muslim in the US Marine Corps, about patriotism in ...
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Soledad O’Brien: Journalism’s ‘Tough Love’ Critic

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Award-winning journalist Soledad O’Brien talks about the current news landscape, what success means in journalism, and her flexibility and optimis...
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Amy McGrath: From the Marine Corps to the Campaign Trail

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Amy McGrath, candidate for the US Senate seat in Kentucky, talks about the state of the Senate under her opponent Mitch McConnell, about her exper...
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Joe Sanberg: Seeking Financial Security for All

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Joe Sanberg, progressive entrepreneur and investor in Los Angeles, talks about his work to end poverty, his personal connection to the cause, and ...
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Patrick Murphy: Constitutional Crisis and the US Military

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The Honorable Patrick Murphy talks about the role of the military in American democracy, about his leadership in getting Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell rep...
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Ryan Manion: Harnessing Grief to Do Good

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Ryan Manion, president of the Travis Manion Foundation, talks about losing her brother to war, about her own PTSD diagnosis, and about harnessing ...
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Voting Rights Special with Demos and the ACLU

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Naila Awan from Demos and Ben Guess from the ACLU of Ohio talk about the importance of full voting rights for all and the work they are each doing...
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Shannon Watts and Casey Weinstein: The Dangers of Fighting for Gun Safety

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Shannon Watts, founder of Moms Demand Action, and Casey Weinstein, state representative for Ohio’s District 37, talk about gun safety and the inti...
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Paul Rieckhoff: The Power of Righteous Anger

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Paul Rieckhoff, host of the Angry Americans podcast, talks about being an independent in today’s political climate, about the role of veterans in ...
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Bill Kristol: The Crisis within the Republican Party

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Bill Kristol, founder of The Weekly Standard and chief of staff to the Vice President under George H. W. Bush, talks about the current state of th...
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Mary Beth Bruggeman: Inclusion, Leadership, and Service

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ary Beth Bruggeman, the president of The Mission Continues, talks about her experiences as a woman in the Marine Corps, about the responsibility o...
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Bonus: Adam Frankel on Writing for Obama

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In this bonus episode, Ken continues his conversation with Adam Frankel, talking about what it was like to write speeches for President Obama....
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Adam Frankel: Healing Family Trauma through Honesty

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Adam Frankel, former speechwriter for President Obama and author of a new memoir, The Survivors, talks about generational trauma - from his grandp...
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Bonus: The Rights of American Samoans

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In this bonus episode of Burn the Boats, Staff Sergeant Jeniffer Afualo-Robinson talks about losing her security clearance and, with it, a pathway...
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Joe Sestak: Individual Rights and the Common Good

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Joe Sestak, retired 3-star Admiral in the US Navy and former candidate for Democratic presidential nominee, talks about the similarities between t...
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Gina Ortiz Jones: Overcoming Barriers to Serve Her Country

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Gina Ortiz Jones, Air Force veteran and Congressional candidate in Texas’s 23rd district, talks about the tough decision her mother made to immigr...
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Mikie Sherrill: Challenging Authority and Reaching Across the Aisle

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Mikie Sherrill, former navy pilot and federal prosecutor and current Congresswoman from New Jersey, discusses the challenges of pushing back again...
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Michael Gerson: Faith, Friendship, and Empathy in Today’s Political Climate

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George W. Bush's former presidential speechwriter, Michael Gerson, talks to Ken about his dissension from the Republican party, about the role of ...
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