Crazy and The King

Destroying the Diversity & Inclusion Narrative

Julie and Torin are serious about destroying the lame, losing and punitive Diversity and Inclusion narrative while chasing a narrative of ambition and freedom to explore.

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Julie and Torin get deep on the impact of the COVID-19 impact on women, especially single moms and women of color. The impact is unfathomable. The fix should be coming from the companies we work for every day. We can fix this. We just have to choose to do so. Keep pushing! We cannot be idle.

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TX Bar Fail, Nike Reboot, and the ADA Turns 30

Torin and Julie wonder why BLM is a political statement instead of a statement of our humanity.
Listen to TX Bar Fail, Nike Reboot, and the ADA Turns 30

Mediocre White Dudes.

Julie and Torin take some time to catch up on some news and update some of our more recent stories. Unwoke.HR - Apparently, an actual job board with actual people working to undo all of the progress we have made to create greater equity.
Listen to Mediocre White Dudes.

Unwoke.HR and Tucker's Dirty Little Secret

Julie and Torin take a lighter note exploring racism disguised as white fragility. Unwoke.HR - Best troll ever, honeypot, or worst niche job board in the history of job boards?
Listen to Unwoke.HR and Tucker's Dirty Little Secret

BONUS EPISODE: Melissa Hickson, Champion and Wife of Michael Hickson.

BONUS EPISODE: After hearing the story of Michael Hickson on TRIGGER WARNING, our latest episode, we are releasing the full interview with Michael's wife and champion, Melissa Hickson.
Listen to BONUS EPISODE: Melissa Hickson, Champion and Wife of Michael Hickson.

The Team

Julie Sowash

As Executive Director for Disability Solutions, Julie works with federal contractors to successfully engage and retain qualified jobseekers with disabilities.

Torin Ellis

Torin partners with company leaders to identify inhibitors that stall consistent achievement of the diversity, equity, & inclusion objectives achieved through recruitment.

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