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Destroying the Diversity & Inclusion Narrative

Julie and Torin are serious about destroying the lame, losing and punitive Diversity and Inclusion narrative while chasing a narrative of ambition and freedom to explore.

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2021 Acting All 2020.

2021 is coming at us fast and Torin and Julie are diving straight in. Corporations take action against insurrectionists and Edelman Trust Barometer tells us what we already knew.
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2020 - Don't Let the Door Hit Ya....

In the first pod of 2021, Torin and Julie decided instead of 2021 predictions, we would start with what we want to leave behind in 2020, Crazy and the King style, of course.
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The CATK Interview: Jackie Glenn

In our last show of 2020, CATK brings the FIRE with Executive Coach, Author and Truth Teller, Jackie Glenn.
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The CATK Interview: Kay Fabella

In one of our favorite shows of 2020, Julie and Torin welcome the fabulous Kay Fabella, author, D/I leader, and boundary challenger.
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2020: Crazy and the King Style

In a positive week for the LGBTQ community, Pete Buttigieg is nominated to be Sec. of Transportation.
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"Clear"'ed For Take Off?

After catching up, Torin and Julie take a deep dive into what the coronavirus vaccine's arrival means for the future of work and the future of our privacy.
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Chess? Nope, We Are Still Playing Checkers.

Julie thought she was about to play some D/I chess, but Minda Harts reminded her we are still playing D/I checkers. Torin and Julie talk through 6 statements to stop using when talking about race.
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SmartRecruiters: Jerome Ternynck

For Thanksgiving week, we welcome, Jerome Ternynck and discuss SmartRecruiters' commitment to anti-racism.
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Transgender Awareness Week

In advance of Transgender Day of Remembrance, we dedicate this episode to Transgender Inclusion. Join Torin and Julie to have an open conversation about Transgender inclusion.
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Florida Man....Does Something AMAZING!

Torin and Julie hit some lighter notes this week, but still bring serious focus to equity issues facing Americans.
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The Morning After.....White Women, We had ONE Job.

Even with an anticipated Biden/Harris Victory, America Showed us we have A LOT of Work to Do.
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Voting Parents and a Coming Civil War

Less than a week until voting ends, Julie and Torin talk the benefits companies like ViacomCBS and AirBNB are providing to parents who want to participate in democracy, OUTSTANDING!
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Temper Tantrums and Papal Progress

Julie and Torin catch up on this week's leading D/I stories. Handling political discussions at work, Pope Francis moving the needle for LGBTQ rights, Indeed's....we mean Glassdoor's play to get your diversity data and finally child free employees want everything to be "fair" - What do you think?
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Thanks, Glassdoor....More D/I Busy Work

| S:Thanks, Glassdoor....More D/I Busy Work
Julie and Torin spend some time talking SCOTUS nominations then jump into Glassdoor's new D/I "solution" and the value of company released diversity reports.
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The Heart of Whiteness

Torin and Julie pull out their favorite and now more timely interview from 2019. In the full interview with author, professor and self-proclaimed woke white dude, Dr. Robert Jensen.
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Not Gonna Say We Told Ya So.....But, Yeah.

Torin took a lot of sh*t for calling out Trump's EO on diversity training a couple of weeks ago. Well, Well. Well. He isn't gonna say he told ya, but Julie is. There is always a next step and slight of hand with this White House. Then the D/I story of our lifetime drops in the Rand Corporation's report on Income Trends from 1975-2018. Yeah, we said the D/I story of our lives.
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Wells Fargo WTF...RBG RIP

Wells Fargo CEO says the quiet part out loud. We pay an ode to RBG. Allies, we need you more than ever.
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Julie's Gone Too Far Now. Torin, I am Sorry!

Facebook throws us their scraps and expects us to be flattered. We ask the question, "Do we REALLY need that third golf course?" Finally, Julie and Torin asks our listeners to take action. Listen to Learn
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The Propaganda Episode

Torin and Julie get DEEP on this week's episode of Crazy and the King. What is RaceCraft? Do you do it? Julie did and now she knows how to do it differently.
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Steve Scalise F**king Said WHAT? & FL SHRM did F*cking WHAT?

Torin brings the joy! How has D/I changed over the last 10 years? BECAUSE WE DID THE WORK, PEOPLE! A life time's worth of work and worth it every single day.
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"Q" Crazy...No "Q" Crazy!!

This week Crazy and the King dives into the deep end of the conspiracy theorists, "QAnon" - Their beliefs, their exponential growth since 2017 and the impact they will have on the world for at least a generation.
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Terrible, No-Good Culture Made Me Watch Porn: WHAT??

Torin and Julie chat through this week's most talked-about Diversity and Inclusion stories - Torin needs to get something off his chest.
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The Most (Almost) Expensive Sexts In History...You Still Win, Bezos.

Torin and Julie chat through this week's most talked-about Diversity and Inclusion stories - McDonald's EX-CEO sends the (al)most expensive sext in history to multiple employees.
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Not Impressed: Progress Implodes - Companies Shrug

Julie and Torin get deep on the impact of the COVID-19 impact on women, especially single moms and women of color.
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TX Bar Fail, Nike Reboot, and the ADA Turns 30

Torin and Julie wonder why BLM is a political statement instead of a statement of our humanity.
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Mediocre White Dudes.

Julie and Torin take some time to catch up on some news and update some of our more recent stories. Unwoke.HR - Apparently, an actual job board with actual people working to undo all of the progress we have made to create greater equity.
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Unwoke.HR and Tucker's Dirty Little Secret

Julie and Torin take a lighter note exploring racism disguised as white fragility. Unwoke.HR - Best troll ever, honeypot, or worst niche job board in the history of job boards?
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BONUS EPISODE: Melissa Hickson, Champion and Wife of Michael Hickson.

BONUS EPISODE: After hearing the story of Michael Hickson on TRIGGER WARNING, our latest episode, we are releasing the full interview with Michael's wife and champion, Melissa Hickson.
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Trigger Warning: Michael Hickson

#BlackDisabledLivesMatter - Michael Hickson's Life Mattered
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Damned If You Do? Damned If You Don't?

This week, Torin and Julie explore recent reviews of the "kafkatrap" of Robin DeAngelo's White Fragility and Carmel, Indiana's Rev.
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Goldman Sachs Diversity & Trump's H1B Visa Freeze

This week, Julie and Torin talk Goldman Sachs diversity play - Torin is optimistic, Julie is skeptical, but either way how can D/I experts leverage this new player to create change?
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Juneteenth and LGBTQ HISTORY

This week, Torin and Julie celebrate living during a historical, game changing moment in LGBTQ civil rights.
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Managing Accommodations: Sheryl Ellis Interview

In our lastest episode, Torin and Julie welcomes Sheryl Ellis, author of Making It Work: Managing your Health Condition through Workplace ADA Accommodation.
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White Spaces and Mom Guilt

Quarantine Week 11 - This week, Julie learns about White Spaces and Torin laughs then brings the realness.
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Black Creators White Blamers

Quarantine Week 10 - This week Black Creators on TikTok fight against censorship and win and white folks heap blame on black people for the impact of Coronavirus. WTF?!?!
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A Tale of 2 CEO's Dorsey vs Musk and Investigating Journalism

Quarantine Week 9 - This week is a tale of two CEO's - What does Twitter and Tesla's CEO's and their approach to reopening say about the value of labor in America?
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Running While Black, Left Behind and Social Model Paradox

Quarantine Week 8 - Torin and Julie dive into the Ahmaud Arbery murder..
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Mental Health First Aid - Kevin McCloskey and Michelle Weinstein

Quarantine Week 7 - Torin and Julie are joined by Disability and Inclusion Experts, Kevin McCloskey and Michelle Weinstein.
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COVID-19 - Black Lives F**king Matter

Quarantine Week 6 - Black lives and black communities are being devastated by the impact of the Coronavirus pandemic and it is not by accident.
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Crip Camp Revolution

Week 5 and we are ready for a revelation and a revolution here at Crazy and The King. Join us for a discussion of the new Netflix Obama collab - Crip Camp.
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Keepin' the Flow w/ Diversity

Quarantine Week 4: How do we keep D/I in the forefront when we aren't in front of each other?
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WFH Disability Style and ImageNet Trashes Their Brand.

As the Coronovirus quarantine continues, Julie and Torin jump into how WFH mandates change the game for talented workers with disabilities who have been denied the accommodation pre-virus.
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Edelman Trust Barometer - Coronavirus Edition

The United States and the Western World is in a time of unprecedented lack of trust in our institutions including the government and the companies we work for.
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Accounting for Inclusion and US Soccer Said What???

How is the accounting industry accounting for the successful women unable to climb the ranks due to pregnancy despite superior performance?
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Starbucks Equal Pay, Really? Diversity without Disability

Is Starbucks claim of Equal Pay a reality or smoke and mirrors?
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Is the Vault Open or Locked Tight to Diversity in the Finance Industry?

How is the Financial Services industry doing on their Diversity and Inclusion? This week, Torin and Julie, take a look at the recently released House report.
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Cocaine and Mean Girls

Cocaine and Mean Girls....How better to start the week? Julie and Torin look at the intersection of tech and racism through the lens of the criminalizing of crack cocaine vs...
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Willae Ivory Interview

In our latest episode, Julie and Torin welcomes Willae Ivory, entrepreneur and founder of Willae Fallana Co.
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1 Year of Crazy and the King!

1 Year of Crazy and the King! Julie and Torin are celebrating the first anniversary of their partnership in building Crazy and the King as a must listen Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion pod.
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Hail Byrd - Hell No & Teen Vogue - Hell Yes

Julie and Torin are pumped up for an amazing 2020 on Crazy and the King! This week, they discuss the WV Corrections Class booted out by the Governor for using the Nazi salute in their class picture - HELL NO!
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Dana Look-Arimoto: Settle Smart in 2020

In our first episode of 2020, Torin leaves it to the ladies. Julie welcomes Dana Look-Arimoto, author of Stop Settling. Settle Smart, Executive Coach, CEO of Phoenix 5 and mother.
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NYE 2019: 70MM Jobs with Adrienne Hatter

In our last episode of 2019, Torin and Julie talk with Adrienne Hatter of 70 Million Jobs. If you are thinking about how to start 2020 with a big impact for every diversity community consider how your organization can and SHOULD integrate talented jobseekers with prior convictions into your workforce.
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WE ARE BACK!

Julie and Torin are back after a short hiatus -> for good reason...but back better than ever and ready to tackle 2019 and 2020 with serious D/I truth!
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Papa John's Lemonade and Holiday Party Fails

Julie and Torin focus on some positivity - Papa John's making lemonade out of lemons and helping our listeners get ahead of the Holiday Office Party Fails now before the EEOC crashes your party.
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Julie Ruins TikTok and Google Does it AGAIN.

Julie and Torin dive in with TikTok's LGBTQ "moderation standards" (aka CENSORSHIP). Then Google jumps right back into the fire with ridiculous failures of humanity..
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Weed Maps: Cory Eustice

Torin flies high with Weed Maps' Head of Talent, Cory Eustice on this week's Crazy and the King.
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White Awakening, Apple Health & ICE Ableism

Julie and Torin discuss her experience with white awakening in suburban Indiana, the new Apple Watch health data and its potential consequences.
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Wal-Mart & PayActiv Prey on Workers - Bernanke Makes Moves

Julie and Torin discuss the "benefit" of employer sponsored pay day advances and loans. Predatory much, Wal-Mart? Ben Bernanke takes on #MeToo in his new role with the American Economist Association.
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Allyn Bailey - Tired: Talent Funnel - Wired: Infinity Loops

Julie and Torin welcome anthropologist and UX designer Allyn Bailey of Intel to this week's pod Allyn, who with the team at Intel, have thrown out the tired talent funnel and transformed Intel's TA journey into an infinity loop.
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NYT 1619 & Google Misses the Memo AGAIN

Torin and Julie introduce the new New York Times series 1619. Does it change how we pick our daily battles?
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Elena Valentine: Watch How SHE B Rolls

Julie and Torin have the honor to welcome master of her video universe, Elena Valentine, CEO and co-founder of Skill Scout.
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Mass Shootings: Tropes of Racism and Ableism

It has been a tough week for us and we know it has been for you, too. Join us to get the facts and prepare to have real conversations based in fact and not in feeling.
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James Ellis: All that Glitters is NOT EB Gold

Julie and Torin have the honor to welcome EB God, James Ellis to the pod. We talk about the good, the bad, and the glitter of the employer brand.
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The Basics and The Diverse MCU

Julie and Torin are back at it and asking how the hell does HR get gender pronouns wrong for a newly transitioned employee...the basics, people!
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Sackett Saves the World

Julie and Torin have the honor to welcome HR/TA expert and author of The Talent Fix, Tim Sackett, to Crazy and the King.
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The Nike Episode

The Nike Episode
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EB Don't Fake It: Tracey Parsons

Julie and Torin start take a dive into Employer Brand and its intersection with Diversity and Inclusion. What do D/I Leaders need to know and where do we go wrong?
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Pride Month Values Matter - Where you at, AT&T?

In the newest episode of Crazy and the King, Julie and Torin talk corporate values in during Pride. Is it okay when companies like AT&T throw up a Pride Logo (even promote it on Twitter), but then support anti-LGBTQ politicians with big dollars?
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The Heart of Whiteness: Dr. Bob Part 2

Hey Crazy and the King fans! In this SPECIAL 2 PART interview with author, professor and self-proclaimed woke white dude, Dr. Robert Jensen. Dr. Jensen, Torin and Julie explore some of the hard realities of living in a white supremacist society.
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The Heart of Whiteness: Dr. Robert Jensen

Hey Crazy and the King fans! In this SPECIAL 2 PART interview with author, professor and self-proclaimed woke white dude, Dr. Robert Jensen. Dr. Jensen, Torin and Julie explore some of the hard realities of living in a white supremacist society.
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AirBnB Racist Host No More

On Episode 11, Julie and Torin tackle self-disclosure at work and AirBnB's latest episode of a host's bigoted behavior.
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Will Facebook Negatively Impact Diversity?

Lyft Pre-IPO Disability Lawsuit, Facebook Move to Hurt Diversity Recruiting, Supplier Diversity, and Gucci Changemakers This week Torin and Julie make a pact to have a “Noose Free” episode….
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Women of West Point and A&E's The Employables

On Episode 10, Julie and Torin celebrate the graduating class of African American women from West Point and discuss their importance to all women in the military.
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Winning at Failing? - Diversity, Equity and Inclusion fires EVERYWHERE

LaCroix Wins, Erickson Living Restructure, Snap Lays off Men, Russell Reynolds talks CDOs and Royal Caribbean with a Twist This week
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Caster Semenya and Neurodiversity

On Episode 9, Julie and Torin get real about the treatment of Olympian Caster Semenya.
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Diversion Inclusion and SCOTUS takes up LGBTQ

On Episode 8, Julie and Torin tackle the additional barriers to employment OPM is creating for formerly incarcerated job seekers and take a deep dive into the Supreme Court's upcoming hearings on Title VII and LGBTQ protections.
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United Becomes Non-Binary and Kyle Korver's Privileged

On episode 7, Julie and Torin embrace United Airlines work to engage non-binary travelers with the support of ally organizations.
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Will Facebook Negatively Impact Diversity?

Lyft Pre-IPO Disability Lawsuit, Facebook Move to Hurt Diversity Recruiting, Supplier Diversity, and Gucci Change makers This week Torin and Julie make a pact to have a “Noose Free” episode…
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Winning at Failing? - Diversity, Equity and Inclusion fires EVERYWHERE

LaCroix Wins, Erickson Living Restructure, Snap Lays off Men, Russell Reynolds talks CDOs and Royal Caribbean with a Twist This week
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Teacher Assault, EEOC's Empty, Paramount's Pledge and Google Gives

In the latest episode of Crazy and The King, Torin and Julie bring several stories exposing systemic and overt racist behavior impacting our students including a teacher arrested for...
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Spin Zone: Obsessed w/ AirBnB & High Hopes for The North Face

Julie and Torin are off and running with the spring conference season in high gear.
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Principal in Blackface, GM's Lame Offer, and Disability in Davos

On our Valentine's week episode, Julie and Torin have no love for this week's outrageous Diversity and Inclusion fails, but still manages to end on a high note.
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Facebook goes Blind, Benefit FTW, & Strange (SHRM) Bedfellows

In this week's episode: Benefit captures our hearts and our dollars, Facebook goes Blind, and other tales of strange HR bedfellows...
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Palantir Lies and Oracle Tries

It's Episode #1 people! On the debut episode, Torin and Julie take Palantir's bald-faced lies head-on; challenge Oracle's "steal my talent" charade, and...
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Crazy and The King Teaser

Julie Sowash and Torin Ellis introduce their New Podcast---Crazy and The King!
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