Spring 2021 Playboy Playmate, Instagram Star and Actress Hailee Lautenbach

Joe Katz:

Hello, hello, hello.

Hailee Lautenbach:

I am so happy to be with you. And I am going to wear a bow tie every day now. You're inspiring me.

Joe Katz:

I would love you to wear a bow tie. You always are dressing so funky and cool, and you do so many cool... I love your shots on Instagram. I love it that you're just like you, just doing you. It feels like you're just having fun.

Hailee Lautenbach:

I was having this conversation with literally this morning... I did a 7:00 am workout class. There's a point to this story. But anyway, this ended up being a DM conversation with the trainer, and he was like, "I just love how you have no filter, and that's the best thing about getting successful is being self deprecating and just being yourself." I'm like, "Yep, I have everything I have because I just make fun of myself."

Joe Katz:

But you're so pretty and every pretty girl, every Instagram pretty girl is like, "My life is perfect and I don't make fun of it, and I'm just perfect." And it's like everybody is like, "Nah."

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yeah. I think that's why I kind of went the way that I went was just because I was seeing that on Instagram, and I was like, "Your lives aren't that perfect. Let me shed some light on reality."

Joe Katz:

Yeah. Because just like we see in Hollywood, what you see isn't always exactly what it is. And you make it more real, which I love that. So it's cool. It's very, very cool.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Thank you, Joseph.

Joe Katz:

Yes. Yes. When I first met you, we did that NCB L.A. show together and you were my fabulous model and looked so beautiful. And one of the things I always think about when I talk to influencers and stuff is like, "How did you get started?" How did it all start? Because didn't you start as a model?

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yeah. Actually, no, I did, I started out as a legit model, TMI, trying to starve myself, every single agency was dropping me in the beginning. I guess let's rewind a little bit. My whole start was in Portland. I was this normal-

Joe Katz:

Okay. That's where you're from.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yes, I'm from Portland. I'm currently in Portland. That's my plant. Her name's Sandra.

Joe Katz:

Oh, hi Sandra.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Thank you. But I was on the total normal trajectory to going to U of O, which is Ducks, and I was going to go to college there. I had done some modeling in Portland, [inaudible 00:03:05] got into, which is not an exciting story. I just submitted pictures to my local modeling agency and they signed me. So I was doing local modeling stuff in Portland. And then the summer before about to go to college, which was I think 2013, I finally got signed to [inaudible 00:03:22] L.A., and my mom has always kind of been like a momager, but a good kind, not like Kris, actually has my best interest but also pushes me.

Joe Katz:

Oh, that's good.

Hailee Lautenbach:

So my sweet mom had to convince my dad, "Hailee does not have to go to college. She's not going to pretty forever. Let her go to L.A."

Joe Katz:

Really?

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yeah.

Joe Katz:

And your mom said okay.

Hailee Lautenbach:

So I was going to take a gap year.

Joe Katz:

She said okay.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yeah, my mom was my biggest supporter and was like... This is before people didn't go to college. I feel like now it's more normal. But convincing my dad of that was the biggest thing. And we told him it was only going to be a gap year. Go to L.A., go to New York, it'll be a gap year. It's 2020 now and I still haven't gone to college.

Joe Katz:

You didn't go? You never went?

Hailee Lautenbach:

Never. No.

Joe Katz:

Never. So then tell me what happened. So then you got in [inaudible 00:04:18] L.A. and then what happened?

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yes.

Joe Katz:

You moved to L.A.

Hailee Lautenbach:

So yeah, I moved to L.A. and feel free to cut out these little details, but I have to give a shout out to my parents, Eric and Deanna, they fronted me $10,000, which was six months of rent in L.A. Paid them back. But they were like, "You have to pay us back or this will prove to us that... We still love you, but you're not going to be able to be a model." But paid them back and have stayed in L.A. ever since.

Joe Katz:

Wow.

Hailee Lautenbach:

There's a couple of back and forths. I moved to L.A. when I was 17, because I was young for my school year. And I had to move back to Oregon I think three times out of how many years it's been, just because I was young, basically doing college in L.A. but with no school. So the first time I had to come back to Portland was because... It's my fault. I was having the best time in L.A. I wasn't even drinking illegally like most people do. But promoters, they would bring me to all these dinners before clubs, and so I wasn't drinking, but I had never been around so much five star food, so I would just eat it all. Anyway, point is, I got dropped from my first agency because I wasn't their measurements.

Joe Katz:

You gained weight?

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yes, that's what I'm trying to say, I gained weight.

Joe Katz:

Well, like a normal person. You're around five star food, you want to... So probably not much, right? It probably wasn't-

Hailee Lautenbach:

Oh, how much did I gain?

Joe Katz:

No, no, I'm just saying it was just a small amount and then they said they're not going to have you on their...

Hailee Lautenbach:

Right. And in their defense, it was two months of saying, "Hailee, you've got to get your beep together." And I just never got it together because I... And let me know if I'm going too much in detail and this is boring.

Joe Katz:

No, that's fine.

Hailee Lautenbach:

So high school, I was a virgin til a very late age. So that will tie into this. So I never had a boyfriend in high school, never did any of that. And then literally like your parents' worst nightmare, the first boyfriend I get in L.A. is a club promoter who is super old. And then also, what was the original question? Oh, okay, so after I started dating him and then two months in, they're like, "Hailee, you're not looking great in clothing," or whatever, and I'm like, "Oh yeah, no, fine, I'll fix it, I'll fix it." Never fixed it. So eventually they're like, "No, we're dropping you."

Joe Katz:

Oh, wow. When you say super old, how old was he?

Hailee Lautenbach:

For me being 18, he was 32.

Joe Katz:

Oh yeah, that is older.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Well, okay, no, by that time I was 18. I never did anything weird like that.

Joe Katz:

Yeah, like 65.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Never did anything illegal.

Joe Katz:

Right, right, right. And so then they dropped you, and then what happened?

Hailee Lautenbach:

So that was my first drop. So then I moved back to Portland and spent a little bit of time there, realized I don't want to be here, I have to go back to L.A. Got super skinny again, which by the way, this was almost 10 years ago, maybe my math is wrong, but it's not as cutthroat anymore. But back then, super cutthroat. Got really skinny, got signed to Next Management. Yes. I've actually never talked about this story on anything or to anyone, but I guess I'll share it with you.

Joe Katz:

Yeah.

Hailee Lautenbach:

I'm not going to mention any names, but I go back, I'm the fittest I've ever been, I'm looking great, booking all these jobs. And this is before Instagram was popping, Joseph. Because I had followers since the very beginning. I was one of the first Instagram people to have followers.

Joe Katz:

Oh really? Okay.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yes. If you guys are listening and you've followed Instagram since it first started, it was me, BhollyB, Kara Santoro, and some other girl, but it was the first come up of girls that had Instagram followers. But, when I went back to L.A., they were like, "No, models have no personality. You have to delete your Instagram. You should not have followers." So that was crazy.

Joe Katz:

That's what they said at your agency?

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yes. And so for a while I was ashamed of my Instagram, like, "Oh my god, no, I don't have one." Which now, in hindsight, every single casting you go to now, they have you write down your Instagram, and I book all my jobs through Instagram, more than an agent.

Joe Katz:

Right. Gosh, that's amazing.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Okay. But this is the second downfall I had, which I would say is my rock bottom that made me actually get my S-H-I-T together. So, Instagram, they were saying, "Don't do it, it's horrible." A month later, they realized Instagram has brand deals and stuff, and they're like, "Oh my god, no, Hailee, keep it going. Get the followers, get the followers." Go to this party, it was an A list musician almost actor person's roof party, and they're like, "Go here and take a picture with all the people there." I take this picture with this really famous guy, he's not an actor or a musician but everyone knows who he is. I don't say his name, it's almost like Voldemort where it's like he who must not be named. Okay, so I take a picture. Here's the backstory. I was doing a cute photo implied from behind with my three model girlfriends. I have boobs, very big ones.

Joe Katz:

Yeah.

Hailee Lautenbach:

These girls were like New York girls, like nothing, you know.

Joe Katz:

Oh, okay.

Hailee Lautenbach:

And so we're doing a cute picture, and then this person in question says, "Hey girls, come take a picture with me." And we take the picture. And of course, the other girls look super... If you're listening on podcast, I'm doing a very New York pose where it's just lanky and skinny and bones. Me, having boobs, I get dropped from the agency because I'm in that photo. They made me go to that party, they made me meet these people to get in these pictures, and then they post the picture and because I'm the busty one, I get dropped from the agency.

Joe Katz:

Why? Just because you're busty?

Hailee Lautenbach:

There was backlash because this person usually only hangs out with or posts pictures with more of an escort type girl. But he was at this A list party because they were friends. And my agents were telling me go because there's people there that will have a lot of followers. But the backlash from me having the boobs in the picture made it look like I was an escort, which I wasn't, I was only there for my agent. So the other girls were fine. I got dropped because I had the boobs and it looked very almost porny. But it was a wholesome picture that my girlfriends were trying to take that turned into a whole thing. That was my moment that I moved back to Portland, took a whole year off, maybe even two years, and then I went back to L.A., [inaudible 00:11:25], now I'm great.

Joe Katz:

Oh, now this is your time back after that, after that-

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yeah, it's my time back, but it wasn't recent. That was 2014 maybe.

Joe Katz:

Oh wow.

Hailee Lautenbach:

But after that, I never had another dropping issue with an agent.

Joe Katz:

Yeah.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Because I'm saying-

Joe Katz:

Are you with a different modeling agency?

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yes. And I was just going to put a little closure to that conversation. That was my rock bottom. And ever since then, I kind of was like, "Okay, let's get mature. You're getting older. Blah, blah, blah." So now I just parted ways with my modeling agent in L.A., and my acting agent. I just told them, "I have to go back to..." I got a no, okay. I don't have an agent in L.A. or Portland right now. Sorry, reset. I'm sorry. The comments were screwing me up. Okay. Hey, Joseph.

Joe Katz:

Hello. We're back.

Hailee Lautenbach:

My agent right now in L.A. is nobody. When quarantine started, I had just bought this place in Portland, and it was before I even knew about COVID or anything. It just happened that I got this place. And I was like, "Hey guys, I'm going to go to Portland for a little bit, furnish my place." And they both said, "Okay, well, if you're going to be there for longer than a month, we have to drop you." And I understand why they dropped me, because I started taking a lot of jobs where I didn't have to go through my agents. I have a manager now, Jonathan, shout out Jonathan.

Joe Katz:

Yes, yes.

Hailee Lautenbach:

But I just do everything through him. So right now, there's no agent in L.A. So hit me up.

Joe Katz:

Hit you up. If somebody's looking, they can hit you up, yes. Well, that's fabulous. So basically you were booking... Is it because you're booking these jobs because of your Instagram and people know you from social media, right?

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yeah. It sounds like I'm making excuses for not having an agent. But for example, the movie I just shot in Oklahoma for a month, that, fingers crossed, we're in talks with Netflix, so I'm going to be a Netflix star.

Joe Katz:

Wow. Congrats. What's the name of it?

Hailee Lautenbach:

Thank you. Oh, the name of that is Model House, which I think the title is getting changed. Explaining this movie title to my family, not my parents, but my aunts and uncles, I hate saying, "Oh, it's called Model House." Because they're probably just like, "Oh, you're a model in a model movie where it's bloody? Oh, makes sense." But no, it's a legit movie.

Joe Katz:

Movie movie, yeah.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Movie movie. And that's why I think that when Netflix buys it, they're going to change the name to something else that sounds less cheesy. Here's what I was going to say, backtrack. For example, I'm not just booking things from an Instagram DM, which usually is sketchy. So the movie I booked in Oklahoma, I had worked with the director of the movie five years ago where he was doing music videos. I met him on a music video shoot. And I was like, "Oh, music video guy, no offense, but probably he's going to stay in music videos." And then four or five years later, he sends me an offer for this movie. And the other girls had to audition. They all had to do three, first audition, second audition, and then the chemistry read. I was the only one that he wrote the part for. Because my character is Trudy, and she's a horny lesbian girl. I'm the comedic relief, which is perfect.

Joe Katz:

Oh, that's awesome.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yeah.

Joe Katz:

And so it's done, it's already been filmed.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Right. We finished it October 8th, so pretty recently.

Joe Katz:

Wow, that's very cool. And it's a comedy?

Hailee Lautenbach:

I would compare it to... It's as serious as The Strangers, but with a little bit of Hailee spice comedy.

Joe Katz:

I like it. You're a horny lesbian.

Hailee Lautenbach:

I know, literally.

Joe Katz:

No, I know. But in the movie.

Hailee Lautenbach:

That's not written in the script, but that's what I would surmise my character to.

Joe Katz:

Okay. Wow, so people will have to watch. So this will be coming out next year, early next year maybe?

Hailee Lautenbach:

Early next year, yes. I don't think it has to be a Halloween movie, because like I said, it's a serious thriller. But I'll let you know where it gets bought.

Joe Katz:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's exciting. Very cool.

Hailee Lautenbach:

And also, we had to stay in a bubble for the whole month. Originally, it was supposed to take place in Malibu, which it does take place in Malibu but we shot it in Oklahoma, but it's fake Malibu. And we had to stay in a bubble. We had to get groceries delivered to us. We had to get COVID tests every two days. It was a crazy experience.

Joe Katz:

So it's that whole COVID thing, you had to stay within... And they have a red zone, all these different things.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yes. They would pick us up in the same car, transport us. I was in Oklahoma for a month, I never saw anything besides my house, the drive to set, and the set.

Joe Katz:

Oh, that's it? You couldn't go anywhere.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Right. And I was going to... In the beginning before COVID, it was supposed to be shot in Malibu, in a Malibu house. And I was living in L.A. still, so I could have had people come to set, I could have had visitors. And then when it comes to Oklahoma, being in a quarantine bubble for a month, I was like, "Can I still bring someone so I don't go crazy?" And the answer was no, no, no. And I almost said no to the movie, because I was like, "This sounds sketch. I'm going to actually die or go insane." It turned out being amazing, loved it so much.

Joe Katz:

That's good. That's great. Wow, you have so much... So was that what your ultimate goal is to do more movies and TV?

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yes, exactly. Been modeling for 10 years. I hate when people say they caught the acting bug, but it's a legit thing. I got the bug, it bit me.

Joe Katz:

That's what you want, yeah.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yeah, I want to be acting. I have too much... If you can tell, I can't shut up.

Joe Katz:

I love it.

Hailee Lautenbach:

So I need to act.

Joe Katz:

Yes. And you're good at it, and you're fun, and you just have a great personality.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Thank you.

Joe Katz:

To have a great personality and then have a great look, that's amazing. Those two together are-

Hailee Lautenbach:

Thank you, Joseph.

Joe Katz:

Yes, no problem. That's great. What was I going to ask you about? Okay, so that was the whole thing with the modeling issues.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yes.

Joe Katz:

So is it true what they say about all the models, that you've got to... Do you have to work super hard? Because you're in perfect shape. If somebody goes to your Instagram, there's no issues. You're pretty much in a bathing suit or a bra and underwear and you look fabulous. If I was in a bra and underwear, you wouldn't want to see that. No, I'm just kidding.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Are you sure? Take it off. Take the bow tie off.

Joe Katz:

I know, honey, wait, wait. No, you'd go running. But no, you look great. And so do you wake up like that? You said at the beginning of our interview that you just went to your 7:00 am workout.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Oh yeah.

Joe Katz:

So you told me that

Hailee Lautenbach:

So my answer to this, honestly, when I woke up this morning, I was like, "Oh, I'm waking up." I usually in quarantine have been sleeping til 12:00 pm.

Joe Katz:

I love that.

Hailee Lautenbach:

I know. I still get all my work done.

Joe Katz:

That's good.

Hailee Lautenbach:

But in the beginning of quarantine, I was doing livestream workouts with Isaac Boots, he was amazing. And I was super, in the beginning of quarantine, so toned. And I kind of loved doing that. And as quarantine went longer and longer, I just gave up. And then I was booking jobs and I looked fine or whatever, but... This was such a long answer. What I do for fitness is usually nothing until it catches up to me. And then I'm like, "Oh, snap. It's been a month of not working out." So that's why this morning I was like, "It's almost Monday morning, let's do a workout." And so I have scheduled a workout every day for the next three weeks. Otherwise, I'll just sit at home eating snacks and watching TV.

Joe Katz:

So is it normal for you to just kind of be in this shape? Or do you have to work at it?

Hailee Lautenbach:

The past couple pictures I have posted on Instagram were from Oklahoma where I was barely eating, and I was bringing a personal trainer every day, not to set, but to my house before I had to go to set. Because our call times weren't until 6:00 pm. So the answer is yes, I work for my figure when I'm actually working for it. Most of the time, I slack until it's go time, I have a job the next week, and then I have a perfect schedule that makes me skinny in one week.

Joe Katz:

I think every woman in America would want to know your skinny in one week trick. What is that? Do you just lose water weight? Or how do you do that in a week?

Hailee Lautenbach:

Oh, I do have some little Hollywood secrets.

Joe Katz:

Okay, I'll take it.

Hailee Lautenbach:

That I'm sure you're ready.

Joe Katz:

The audience would love Hollywood secrets.

Hailee Lautenbach:

And I apologize in advance, these aren't the healthiest. I'm talking about doing this for a week before your... Not even for modeling. Maybe you have a wedding or something.

Joe Katz:

Right, yeah.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Maybe you're getting married. Here's my little things. Okay. Apple cider vinegar shots. I know we all kind of know this. I don't take them all the time because it really is bad for your throat. But the week before a shoot, every single day, two tablespoons, basically a shot worth of apple cider vinegar. Which almost is actually tasting worse than a shot, and that's how you know that it's doing something. It makes you go number two.

Joe Katz:

It's just apple cider vinegar?

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yeah.

Joe Katz:

Mixed with anything? No.

Hailee Lautenbach:

So that's the thing that I'm not the best person to ask. You're supposed to mix it with water so it doesn't burn you as much. But then that means I have to taste it for longer. I'd rather just shoot it and in a couple years, deal with the repercussions. So that's one.

Joe Katz:

Right now we've got to get fit. Yeah, okay, so apple cider vinegar.

Hailee Lautenbach:

That's a me thing.

Joe Katz:

Yeah.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Other things, super unhealthy but just good before you have to be pretty for appearance. Water pills, which you have to drink extra water if you're taking them, but it makes you pee out everything. Your arms just get snatched because... The brand is Diurex. They also make laxatives. I don't take laxatives. So, laxative is the one thing I won't delve into. No. I've seen model girls have to go to the hospital from that.

Joe Katz:

Oh, model girls take the diuretics and stuff.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yeah, they take the laxatives. When I was living in Miami with a bunch of models, that was the craziest experience. There was razor blades everywhere and girls having to go to the bathroom and have two hour number two sessions.

Joe Katz:

Oh my god. Wow.

Hailee Lautenbach:

But I never had to go that crazy. I never went to New York, I never had to be that skinny. That's why I just stayed in L.A., because curves were allowed.

Joe Katz:

Yeah. Because you're a beautiful woman's body, a little curvy, but not crazy. Yeah.

Hailee Lautenbach:

I think I found the right balance. And also, this is so sorry for other aspiring models, but I don't have to try as hard with my body and hurt my body anymore because I am a personality, so I get booked from my Instagram and just my personality now. But I would say other models, don't follow my tricks.

Joe Katz:

What do you mean? They do the water pills, the diuretics, the everything?

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yeah. Most models know those tricks. But I'm just saying, any young girls out there, don't start doing that.

Joe Katz:

Yeah.

Hailee Lautenbach:

It's not that bad.

Joe Katz:

If you're trying to get ready, like now, you would take maybe apple cider vinegar once a day for a week.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yes. It's so good.

Joe Katz:

And what does the apple cider vinegar do?

Hailee Lautenbach:

It burns through all of... I actually don't know what it does, but all my Googling has made me love it. And it's also not just a skinny thing, it's also a healthy thing. The brand I get is Mother's apple cider vinegar. And it has the Mother, which no one knows what it is, but it's good for you.

Joe Katz:

Okay.

Hailee Lautenbach:

But yeah, that, and then the night before a shoot, I will take the water pills. And then other than that, actual healthy things is Pilates. You don't have to do crazy kickboxing workouts to lose a bunch of weight. The best shape I'm ever in is from Pilates, which is really hard, but it's elegant. So Pilates gives you abs in one week.

Joe Katz:

Really?

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yeah.

Joe Katz:

Wow. So abs, and it elongates the body, right? It's supposed to be very-

Hailee Lautenbach:

Right.

Joe Katz:

Yeah, yeah.

Hailee Lautenbach:

My biggest thing that I've found over the years is lengthening workouts.

Joe Katz:

Okay. So Pilates, do you do any lifting, or no?

Hailee Lautenbach:

Another good thing to say, I never used to lift weights because I was like, "I don't want to look a man." Turns out, you have to lift weights to be in shape and be fit and mentally fit and everything.

Joe Katz:

Right.

Hailee Lautenbach:

So yes, I do lift a bunch of weights. I finally found a Portland person, but yeah, my next biggest goal is to be able to lift 40 pounds in both hands. Yeah. So strength training-

Joe Katz:

Right really to keep yourself trim, is it cardio and Pilates and vinegar? Pilates, vinegar, and running.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Those are all great things.

Joe Katz:

America is going to change, you watch.

Hailee Lautenbach:

I have to give a more wholesome answer. Before you have to think about your body, you have to think about your brain. And all the times where I was trying to get skinny, I was being so mean to myself. And also, skinny isn't the right word. But back in the day, I was trying the be so skinny. I would do all these weird tricks, which I do still do the tricks, but once in a blue moon. And I was like, "Just be skinny." And no matter how much I was trying to be skinny, I would like to myself and cheat. And in the times where it was crunch time, I would just gain weight because I was focusing too much on losing weight. So the biggest thing I can tell you is you've got to change your brain and your mindset and say that working out is so you can live longer, so you can be happier. And what else was it? Oh yeah, before you can get your-

Joe Katz:

It makes your brain happy.

Hailee Lautenbach:

It makes your brain happy and then you're happy, and so throughout the day, you're not cheating and being like, "Oh, I'm mad today. I'm going to eat this cookie." No, I had to retrain my brain to be like... Because I do have an addiction to food. I don't know if that's clinically diagnosed. But I definitely have an addiction to food. Happy celebration, I want to eat food. Sad, I want to eat food in bed.

Joe Katz:

Yes. I'm with you, yeah.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Right?

Joe Katz:

Yes.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Which also isn't a bad thing to do.

Joe Katz:

No.

Hailee Lautenbach:

But I did say for the weekend, calories don't count. So I do give myself Saturday and Sunday... No, Friday and Saturday... Whatever. That's my free time to eat. But before that-

Joe Katz:

Can you have ice cream cookies, everything?

Hailee Lautenbach:

In moderation on the weekends, yes. Because otherwise, throughout the week, I finally have trained my brain instead of going towards a cookie when I'm upset, I do a couple jumping jacks. And I know that sounds so cheesy, but it really does work once you get into that mindset.

Joe Katz:

You mean and then you don't want the cookie?

Hailee Lautenbach:

Kind of.

Joe Katz:

Holy crap, I'm going to be doing jumping jacks.

Hailee Lautenbach:

It's really retraining the brain.

Joe Katz:

You do have to, yeah.

Hailee Lautenbach:

You can't just start into being in to jumping jacks. But I journal a lot now which I never used to do.

Joe Katz:

Journal about how you're feeling?

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yeah. I have a five minute journal, that every single morning, it's only five minutes, so when I'm feeling lazy, I'm like, "Hailee, five minutes." You write down your... Not your manifestations. You write down what you want throughout the day, what you want from the day. And then at night when you get back into bed, you write down if you accomplished your thoughts and blah, blah, blah.

Joe Katz:

Right.

Hailee Lautenbach:

So journaling really did help me.

Joe Katz:

That's cool. That's cool. I saw you posted on Instagram a really cute picture of you when you were young with those round glasses, and then you with the round glasses today. What were you like when you were a young girl? Were you the most popular girl? Or were you... What were you like?

Hailee Lautenbach:

I think every model says this, which sounds so model, but I was so unpopular, on the first day of seventh grade, I wore camo on camo, because I was like, "If I dress like a boy, maybe the boys will like me." It didn't work.

Joe Katz:

It didn't.

Hailee Lautenbach:

But that was my whole mindset. And also, another weird story I just remembered, some of the popular kids were being mean to me, so I told them, "I'll bring you Pringles every day if you're nice to me." So for two weeks, I would bring them Pringles to try and be nice to me. That was middle school.

Joe Katz:

And do you think it helped?

Hailee Lautenbach:

No.

Joe Katz:

Oh, it didn't.

Hailee Lautenbach:

No, it didn't help. They just abused me. I remember telling my mom, "Mom, we need Pringles." She's like, "Why? We don't eat Pringles." I'm like, "Please."

Joe Katz:

Get them. Trust me.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Right. Get the Pringles.

Joe Katz:

Wow.

Hailee Lautenbach:

But high school was more... I was cute because I was modeling then. But this is so weird to say, but I was not able to get into the popular group because I wouldn't put out.

Joe Katz:

Oh really?

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yes. So all these popular guys... Until senior year, I was still the nerdy girl. Oh, there's Hailee, she's the model, she's cute, but she won't put out. Senior year, I started to get invites to hang out with the popular kids. Because I was in the Christian group. You know Young Life? I was part of that. So I would go to the popular kids' houses. And then this is also TMI, but they would try and do the dirty. And I would freak out and always run to my car. So I never would put out. And that was a rumor about me, "She's hot, but she won't have sex." And the best validation has been after high school, a couple years later, all the popular kids that would pay me no mind, always would slide into the DMs.

Joe Katz:

Wow. Oh, they're DM'ing you now?

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yeah. Yep, now they're always like, "Hailee, when you're visiting Portland, let's hang out."

Joe Katz:

Oh. Yeah, they're all back. Yes, yes, yes.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yeah. I finally have validation.

Joe Katz:

Yes. You talk about when you journal and things like that, and I was looking at your Instagram, it was a while ago, and I was seeing you were so vulnerable about just how you feel and stuff like that. And there was a picture of you walking, and I don't remember the whole thing, but you were saying, "I'm walking, I seem happy, but I haven't gotten out of my apartment and I feel down and depressed." I was like, "That's really bold for you to come out and just talk about that." Because I feel like sometimes people want to just hide that. I really commended you for that, because that's hard.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Oh, thank you, Joseph.

Joe Katz:

Yeah.

Hailee Lautenbach:

That was hard to admit. But the responses I got were amazing, people saying that no one ever shares that, it makes them feel more normal. And the whole reason I actually did share that was I still go through these depressions bouts where I... It doesn't happen as much as often now because I do have other outlets. I journal my feelings instead of bottling them up, or I paint. You've got to find that thing that works for you. But that was one of the last times I have felt that way. I had been in bed, and I didn't have a boyfriend to get me out of bed at that point. I was by myself, still making brand deals, still paying my rent because I had brand deals that I could post from bed looking all happy. But behind the camera phone, I was in bed, so scared to go outside. I'd see people's stories on boats or at the beach, I'm like, "I wish I could do that but..." I can't even explain it. It's like something's holding you down in bed. I could not get out of bed. Anyway, that's when I said, "Hailee, you've been in bed for five days. You haven't seen your friends, they've been calling you. You've been ignoring them. Get yourself into some therapy and to a doctor."

Hailee Lautenbach:

So I did, and I just got diagnosed with normal depression, anxiety. I am now currently on Zoloft. And I know some people don't believe in pills, but that changed my life. Now I just feel like I can tackle the day and go outside without... I don't even know what it is, Joseph. It's not a fear of being murdered, it's just I can't leave the door.

Joe Katz:

Like it just feels like you just want to stay in? You just don't want to be with people and stuff?

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yeah. I've got to stay in. Or if I go take the trash out, someone's going to talk to me. And then they do and it's a great conversation. But then I run back inside and I'm like Golum from Lord of the Rings.

Joe Katz:

Oh, yeah. But it doesn't feel like that now.

Hailee Lautenbach:

No, it doesn't. I feel happy and ready for life. And I used to sleep in as long as I could because I would wake up like, "Oh, I just want this day to end. I'm going to go back to sleep." Now, I am so happy to be waking up, go outside and do things, even just a small bike ride. That changed my life too, I got a back. Now I just go outside with music and my Air Pods and roll around. So my biggest advice to anyone listening with that, don't be afraid or embarrassed to tell someone. Or if you're older than telling your parents, go to the doctor and talk about your feelings.

Joe Katz:

Yeah, it's important. It really is. It is, yeah. So I wanted to ask a few more things because I know we're getting towards the end. Can you believe? I feel like we just started. We could go on and on and not enough.

Hailee Lautenbach:

I feel like I'm in therapy right now.

Joe Katz:

But let me think what I want to ask you, so many things. What is one thing that you have not told anybody? You've told me so many things I feel like maybe you haven't told many people. But one thing you haven't told anybody before. Take a drink, take a moment.

Hailee Lautenbach:

It's my energy drink.

Joe Katz:

Okay. All right.

Hailee Lautenbach:

I've been up since 8:00 am, it feels like it's already 5:00 pm. Okay. I think out of all of the things I thought about answering this right now, one of the biggest things, and this if for you foot fetish people, I have a thing where I can't control my toes, and I'm always grabbing on to random fabrics or carpet while I'm watching TV, or grabbing my dogs toys and always fiddling with my toes. And anyone who's next to me, loves this weird thing about me because they get a free foot rub because I'm always trying to grab fabrics with my toes. Is that gross?

Joe Katz:

No, that's one thing you probably have never told anybody.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Never.

Joe Katz:

So that's great. That's great. Since we're talking about fashion too, this is about fashion, the show's about fashion as well, what would you say your style is?

Hailee Lautenbach:

I love this question because I just went to Free People, I never buy clothes anymore because Instagram, whatever.

Joe Katz:

They send you stuff, right?

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yeah, sorry, I get sent everything.

Joe Katz:

That's nice.

Hailee Lautenbach:

So normally what I wear is what I've been sent. And for a while, Joseph, it was the crop tops with cool baggy pants that were colorful, like a street racer almost.

Joe Katz:

Right.

Hailee Lautenbach:

So I was wearing all the street racer stuff, and then the other day I was like, "I hate how I dress. I can't even go to my parents' house because I look like a cartoon character with my boobs all out." So my style now is basics with a bunch of jewelry, which if you're watching, you can see all this.

Joe Katz:

Oh, that's cool. Yeah, they should watch the video because I like how you layer. That's very trending now, gold on gold. Yeah, I like that.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yeah, gold.

Joe Katz:

Oh, and the gold bracelet, yeah.

Hailee Lautenbach:

And the newest thing that I've brought onto my fashion is wide-leg pants. They made you look so slender and tall. So super tight, high waisted, and the bottom is flared. Flared pants, boot cut.

Joe Katz:

Yeah.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yeah, with a heel. Oh, that is my go-to style right now.

Joe Katz:

And what would you say if you were going to give people listening really good advice, maybe somebody's not... You're thin, you look great, but maybe somebody has some more curves than you or they're super busty or they're smaller busted or whatever. What is a tip that you would tell them, like, "Here's what I always do, when I go out at night, when I put on a dress or I put on pants, this is some tips"? Maybe little Hollywood secrets for you.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Okay. My favorite Hollywood secret, which to me is a secret, I'd never heard of it before, is booby tape. That's also one of the brand names, but you probably already know about this. I just learned about boob tape. Like for this, I have big boobies, I have to wear bra straps, but I use booby tape to hold my boobs up. So booby tape is a great option for big boobs. Also, minimizer bras, ladies. If you have over a double D, look up minimizer bras. They're going to look like you're having a baby and pumping milk, but they flatten you out and are so good.

Joe Katz:

Oh, so it makes them a little bit flatter for you so that you're not [crosstalk 00:38:06].

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yeah. It's the most ugly bra. I hate when I have a guy and they see that, I'm like, "Oh, it's just whatever." But it flattens you. It's not like a sports bra, it just makes you look flat-chested so you're able to wear certain kinds of shirts. Other Hollywood secret, this isn't really a secret, but I tried on my first Kim Kardashian-esque corset, and that's why they all look so skinny. So don't compare yourself to that. I looked so skinny. And it was great, but I was like, "That's why. That's why all these people have skinny waists."

Joe Katz:

But you don't really need it. That's like a Spanx. It's like a Spanx kind of thing, right?

Hailee Lautenbach:

No, right. I don't need it, but I did try it on because my friend owns a Spanx company. And I was like, "Damn, I look good." But I don't need it. I'm not going get the habit.

Joe Katz:

But it's so tight, isn't it? It's uncomfortable a little bit.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Oh my god, I had to lay on the ground with four people around me strapping all the straps. And also I couldn't even pee.

Joe Katz:

You couldn't? What did you do?

Hailee Lautenbach:

There's a zipper down there. There's a zipper. I can't believe that people go to these Oscar parties looking all glamorous, and they go to the bathroom, you have to unzip it like you're in a diaper. I end up getting pee all over myself.

Joe Katz:

Oh, so you unzip the zipper, and then that's how you can pee. Oh my god.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yeah.

Joe Katz:

You've got to be really careful within that zipper area. Oh wow.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yeah, exactly.

Joe Katz:

Okay, I have one last question. I can't let you go without this because I know you get invited to a lot of interesting parties, you get invited to Instagram parties, but now you get into a lot of A list parties. So do you have any fun secrets you can tell us about? Any interesting party? Or maybe the most boring celebrity or the most exciting celebrity? Just for our audience. Because they have fans, they want to know, they want to live through you. We all want to live through you.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Okay. I have three parts that I'll try and answer quickly. Lots of parties. Okay, one of the most boring celebrities that you would never guess is Leonardo DiCaprio.

Joe Katz:

Really.

Hailee Lautenbach:

He is the most normal guy. I just call him vanilla, he's just vanilla. I've hung out with him a lot throughout the years. He never wanted to date me because I'm a brunette and never was New York skinny, so whatever, Leo.

Joe Katz:

Enough. We don't need Leo.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Right? So I basically became like his little sister and we'd just hang out and I would talk to his girls. But he's just so boring.

Joe Katz:

Really?

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yeah. One of the funniest memories though is watching Netflix with him, and he would go through his movies on Netflix and be like, "Oh, I was so fat there. Oh, I was so skinny there. Damn, I miss that version of me." So that's a little fun Leo story.

Joe Katz:

Oh, he would say that?

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yes. He would go through his movies, I don't even know how he came up on all... Maybe there was a Netflix section of Leo movies. But he was going through all of his movies, being like, "Oh, this time, this time." Craziest celeb that you wouldn't expect? This might take a little while to decide, so maybe we don't answer that one.

Joe Katz:

Okay. Okay. But any fun... Just tell us any other interesting, fun parties you've gone to, like a big celeb party?

Hailee Lautenbach:

Well, here's an interesting thing. For most of these parties, you actually do have to sign an NDA. Isn't that crazy, Joseph? You have to sign and say, "I'll never talk about this." But there's definitely been some where I haven't. Okay, let me think. Okay, not that one. Okay, for example, Chrissy Teigen, I know everybody loves Chrissy Teigen, she had a party for her sunglass launch. And she came onstage, acted all Chrissy Teigen self, and then after that was just really mean.

Joe Katz:

Really?

Hailee Lautenbach:

But that's not a crazy one

Joe Katz:

Yeah. Oh interesting. Okay, last question, I keep saying it's going to be the last question, it is I swear, I swear. What are the craziest DMs, or give me just a funny DM story of people. Because you've got almost a half a million followers. If listeners don't know, they can go to Haileebobailee and they can find you and they can watch this video and see you. But what is just a funny story? Have you gotten marriage proposals? What crazy stories?

Hailee Lautenbach:

Oh my gosh, the marriage proposals are all the time. Oh, Dubai. Dubai is one that I get all the time. Baby, come to Dubai. And I look at them, and they're legit, they have followers, they're not a random scammer. They're Dubai princes, I don't know.

Joe Katz:

Oh, right.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yes. And they send me pictures of them... This never actually happened, but they're like, "Hey, I'll deposit all this money into your account if you come to Dubai."

Joe Katz:

Really?

Hailee Lautenbach:

I'm not just going to go to Dubai. So that's a legit thing that does happen. And the other one that I have gotten one time, which was so funny, I can't go verbatim, but it was like, "I would drag my balls through a glass-shattered floor, through flames and fire just to get to smell your fart."

Joe Katz:

Wow.

Hailee Lautenbach:

I know, that's a great one.

Joe Katz:

I think you won. You won. Nobody has ever asked to smell my fart.

Hailee Lautenbach:

While going through glass.

Joe Katz:

And going through glass. Wow. That's amazing. You could be a princess one day, right? I suppose if you take one of those Dubai guys up on it.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Maybe. Right.

Joe Katz:

That's amazing. Wow.

Hailee Lautenbach:

If you don't hear from me, I'm in Dubai.

Joe Katz:

That's right. You're a princess in Dubai. That's fabulous. Instagram, it's all whatever. Wow. Well, thank you, Hailee. This is so fabulous. So the movie should be coming out, maybe next year we'll know more, right?

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yes.

Joe Katz:

And you've got merchandise coming out. Where can people find that?

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yes. On haileebobailee.com

Joe Katz:

Oh, haileebobailee.com, okay.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Please go to haileebobailee.com to see all the merch. We have stuff for men, women, everything. You're going to love it.

Joe Katz:

Wow. What is it? Tee shirts, sweatshirts, everything?

Hailee Lautenbach:

Tee shirts, sweatshirts, sweatpants. What I'm trying to go for mostly is people buy the top and the bottom. Because Joseph, you're in fashion, you know tie dye is going to be a big thing, right?

Joe Katz:

Right.

Hailee Lautenbach:

So all my stuff is tie dye.

Joe Katz:

Oh, fun.

Hailee Lautenbach:

But not the Venice kind. You're not going to walk on Venice and see gross Hailee merch.

Joe Katz:

Right.

Hailee Lautenbach:

We have high quality tie dye.

Joe Katz:

Oh, that's cool. So they can go on your Instagram, they can go there.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yes.

Joe Katz:

They can go onto Instagram and follow you at haileebobailee.com.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Yes.

Joe Katz:

Yes. Anything else that I'm missing? Did I cover it all?

Hailee Lautenbach:

That's all. If you guys aren't watching, please look at Joseph's bow tie. It's an animal.

Joe Katz:

Yes, tune in to see my bow tie. Tune in to see Hailee's beautiful skin, her great gold chunky jewelry, and her very fit, cool arms and her plant that's behind her, which is called Sylvia?

Hailee Lautenbach:

Oh yeah. Sandra.

Joe Katz:

Sandra. I love Sandra.

Hailee Lautenbach:

You're so close.

Joe Katz:

Oh yes, yes.

Hailee Lautenbach:

Joseph, I love you.

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